Tuesday 22 August 2023

DISCUSSION ON CROOKED CULTURES

Near us, crooks set the Crooked  House pub ablaze and then bulldozed what remained. We inhabit the lawless, bleak, barren Black Country where even the upright politicians and officers destroy transport infrastructure. The tally is 7 railways in Dudley alone, all gone for homes, offices, factories, roads and trams. The upright have not set the crooks a good example. Not one bit have they!!

Criminal crooks obliterated the wonky Crooked Pub. Climate crooks obliterated or refuse to use 7 Dudley railway lines for their intended purpose. Kremlin crooks expand westwards by violence following the American led Western expansion nonviolent (for a change) eastwards. All accelerate climate breakdown.

I much enjoy pointing out to the VIPs the 70 years of transport destruction, costing £100s millions in price and in weight of greenhouse gases emissions  that is continuing apace, while Mayor Andy is insisting that the pub must be rebuilt but not the 120 Kms railway finished with trains and stations!

QUIZ:
The reason it is perfectly all right for the IDF to kill so many Palestinians is that they are evil Hamas.
Who kind of said that?!

TIM:
My Linda said Hamas to justify Israeli's intermittent and interminable war on Palestinians.

TIM:
Where have we been today?
A living, breathing monument of unadulterated oppression, greed and power. But an excellent, frank interpretation of Welsh/UK behaviour/history from 18th century to 20th. Political education done well.

COLIN:
In answer to your question on Friday, one of the worst examples of unapologetic & ostentatious flaunting, indeed glorification of power, oppression & greed that I know of in NW is Penrhyn Castle. Other than a few token gestures here & there I don't know of any centres offering a complete history of Welsh subdugation.

COLIN:
I was saddened to read that it was Linda who you refered to as having condemned Hamas as "evil". Such a possition suggests the turning of a blind eye towards the behaviour of Hamas' enemies. That said however, Hamas does nothing to advance the Palestinian cause with its current military tactics.

TIM:
The problem, as I see it, is the large majority who believe in violence and the same people who believe in the right of self defence by violence and revenge - tit for tat. It results in endless cycles of killings by all sides - Gaza, the West Bank and, since Feb 2014, Ukraine.
Billions for armaments to fuel our wars in the Middle East, like Yemen and Ukraine. In comparison, nothing to fight our wars on climate, resource shortages, with accompanying consumption and population pressures.
Last century was the most violent in the history of humanity - thanks to the West is Best power bloc.
And Penrhyn, as NT makes clear, was built on the backs of W expansion, exploitation of Welsh slate workers and slavery - nothing to do with China or Russia!

COLIN:
As you see it then, the only way to stop the "endless cycles of violence" is for the attacked to meakly submit to the will of their assailants. As for Penrhyn, I'm struggling to see the relevance of China. The obscenety of it merely mirrors at a local level the depravity we see on the world stage.

TIM:
Just that our own upstanding culture over the centuries and still to this day is not much better than theirs. We are hardly equipped to teach them any lessons as Penrhyn's grotesque pile of stones shouts out!
Francis of Assisi, Gandhi, MLK and Lennon were outstanding successes and far too good for this world. They were simply right - like that other saint, Jesus of Nazareth and his amazing teaching that is the Gold Standard. Better to be killed than to kill!  Thanks for a great day out last week and discussion.

COLIN:
So, just to be clear, if a would be burglar were to hammer violently at your door in an attempt to rob or cause you harm, you would not try to fend him off.


TIM:
I would resist the invader but no killing. Resist by force, non-collaboration, by going underground and, ultimately by getting out and starting afresh in a new country.  France surrendered in 1940.  Many Jews got out and 240,000 Belgians in 1914.  I've been a supporter of War Resisters International since my teenage years and an activist pacifist since I watched 'The Great War' on BBC TV in the 1960s. I would have been a CO in that war and be banged up in Richmond Prison or shot at dawn.  Those men were the real heroes of WW1.  Not the soldiers who simply brought us WW1, 2, then the Cold War and numerous other hot wars fueled by our side to this day.

The name I could not think of last week was Philippe Sands KC who said on 'Today' on 25.2.22, that the overthrow of Russian-friendly President Yanukovych was like "a red rag to a bull" to Pariah Putrid (copyright to me!)
On 'Unspun World', Steve Rosenberg said that there was "seething resentment over how the Cold War ended", to explain Kremlin anger at the West.  We called it a victory for us and, then went on to take full advantage of it!

FROM BBC - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26386946:
"Viktor Yanukovych has the rare distinction of having been ousted twice from Ukraine's presidency after giant street protests.

Opponents accuse him of having enriched himself, his family and cronies while in power.

A protest against his decision to abandon a far-reaching European Union partnership deal in November 2013 morphed into a huge - and violent - campaign to push him from power.

But it was the deaths of at least 88 people, many of them protesters shot dead by uniformed snipers in 48 hours of bloodshed, that ultimately brought him down.

The killings sent shockwaves around the world.

Under EU pressure he signed a deal to transfer powers to parliament and hold early elections. But within hours he had fled the capital and his administration had crumbled.

As Ukraine's protest leaders and opposition moved to fill the power vacuum, Mr Yanukovych, 63, maintained he was still the lawfully elected president.  As he headed for neighbouring Russia, Kiev's new rulers issued an arrest warrant for his role in the "mass murder of innocent civilians."

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