Showing posts with label anit-semitism. Show all posts
Showing posts with label anit-semitism. Show all posts

Sunday, 30 April 2023

My group has suffered more than your group.

Dear Chrissie - my final word on the subject!  Written on Sunday; checked over on Monday.

My group has suffered more than your group.

Friday, 28 April 2023

That anti-Semitic letter - she had to actually write that anti-Semitism was and is racism, to be safe

Racism is black and white.  SELF: We are all responsible for doing it and being on the receiving end.  Part of the human condition.

Tomiwa Owolade claims that Irish, Jewish and Traveller people all suffer from “racism” (“Racism in Britain is not a black and white issue. It’s far more complicated”, Comment). They undoubtedly experience prejudice. This is similar to racism and the two words are often used as if they are interchangeable.  SELF: All three groups have experienced both prejudice and racism.  But, Abbott has not properly spelled it out that Jewish people, at least, also suffer from racism, as well as prejudice.  Therefore, believes Starmer, she is anti-Semitic and must be drummed out of the Labour Party and Parliament, like Corbyn.

It is true that many types of white people with points of difference, such as redheads, can experience this prejudice. But they are not all their lives subject to racism. In pre-civil rights America, Irish people, Jewish people and Travellers were not required to sit at the back of the bus. In apartheid South Africa, these groups were allowed to vote. And at the height of slavery, there were no white-seeming people manacled on the slave ships.  SELF: Blacks have suffered the most out of the four groups, implies Abbott.  I don't think any of this can be called anti-Semitic.  Keir Starmer has it wrong, I think.  But, Tomiwa Owolade says Diane Abbott is wrong about race and prejudice and, I infer from that, that he believes she is anti-Semitic.

Diane Abbott

Thanks for this article that I have read.  I have also read over the past week other comments to try and understand the last few years of the rise in anti-Semitism that coincided with the election of a life-long, left wing MP who does not have a racist bone in his body.  Or, do you think he has, Chrissie?  Keir Starmer got rid of him not because of the EHRC report but because of his short comments about it.  Comments that seemed fair enough to me, at the time.

It seems that anti-Semitism has been weaponised to make it harder for some to be outspoken in being horrified by the behaviour of the State of Israel. It has made it easier to oust left wing members from the Labour Party and, since Keir Starmer was elected leader, to cement the rise of the right in Labour to help its election prospects.

Diane Abbott's letter was short and shallow.  Probably, too hastily written and without reflection.  It should have just been ignored - by everyone.  It appeared to express her concern that anti-Semitism has overshadowed prejudice, discrimination, racism towards her own black tribe.  I saw the letter as reminding the reader of how black people in the USA and South Africa, for centuries, seem to have suffered much more hate, prejudice, discrimination, racism than Jewish, Irish, Travellers people.  Whether or not that is correct, her opinion should not have been quashed, dismissed, vilified.  The true outrage and scandal is that, like Corbyn, she is now very likely to have her MP career ended.

Even the 'Guardian', this morning has had to apologise for anti-Semitism imagery in a cartoon!  "Contemptible and vile" said Nicholas Soames on 'Laura Kuenssberg' this morning.  This is getting ridiculous.  Do Jewish people really have no sense of satire/humour or ability to laugh at themselves?  And just writing this, definitely makes me an anti-Semite, too.  No platforming is also ending free speech and the wish to hear another point of view to enable mutual learning, enlightenment and a shift away from one's own precious convictions and beliefs.

Abbott was not discounting prejudice, discrimination, racism towards the Irish, Jewish and Travellers over many centuries.  She was simply playing up black prejudice, discrimination, racism over many centuries (300 years of European, American, Arabic slavery affecting only/mainly black people).  Perfectly understandable, I think, for a black woman to write but not for Starmer to get rid of another left winger who all her life has fought prejudice, discrimination, racism.

Was her real crime in having the impertinence to place Jewish people in the same group as Irish and Travellers?  Writing this puts me in the anti-Semite brigade.  I'm so glad that Jesus Christ was a Jew/non-white and that Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jnr were black.  I'm sorry I'm white.  My colour skin and tribe and ancestors have brought the most suffering and human misery on our fellow humans.  Not black people like Diane Abbott.

Friday, 2 January 2015

Someone else wrote this but ...

.. I would put it like this:

Our religious beliefs can be part of the problem.  Violence is pretty universal for all.  Our faith beliefs control 

our behaviours.  We all want land for ourselves.  And it can be all too easy to say that God gave us the land to 

justify our occupation - the people of Israel taking over Canaan 3,500 years ago or, us lot taking over the land 

from the native American Indian inhabitants.  We brought them God, germs and guns.  Our ancestors thought 

that God was confirming the rightness of their occupation and takeover of what became the USA, by 

wiping out the earlier inhabitants, quite naturally from disease.  But it was disease from germs, unknowingly 

brought by the good Christians from England.

Terrorism can be state terrorism and by others.

Empire building by the traditional Christian nations, who should have known better, is at the root of the 

problem - the going and getting and controlling other groups and lands and their inhabitants . 

The Cold War was also worked out in the Middle East and made the problem worse.

Control and coercion; grab and brag; occupy and fortify.

Those who lose out from those with the power don't always appreciate it.  The battle between Jews and Arabs 

originated three and a half thousand years ago but 95% of the intervening years has seen inhabitants of the 

Holy Land live in peaceful co-existence with one another - until more and more Jews returned in the 20th 

century as they fled persecution from anti-Semitism by our ancestors in Christian majority Europe.

Sadat and Rabin set a good example of compromise to try and get a settlement.



"FINALLY, a much more fair documentary (by Peter and Dan Snow on the Yom Kippur War of 1973).

I am NOT anti-Jewish, nor am I PRO-Arab or PRO-terrorism of ANY KIND!!!

The truth needs to be understood AWAY from any and ALL religious, prejudiced and other biases that totally 

control the conversation on both sides of the situation!!!  The truth is that there were and are terrorists on both 

sides, initially the terrorists were mostly of the Jewish, population, quickly followed by the Palestinian 

population; now, BOTH.

The Jewish state is still a terrorist one; morally and factually, the declaration (and following codification by 

the UN and the US) does NOT allow the now-state-status to continue or began acts that are terrorist in nature.  

The Arab, Persian and others that comprise the opposite side are egregiously horrible as well!!!!!!!!

The problem is a result of Colonialism and imperialism of the West.  If PEACE is ever to be achieved, the true 

facts must be known and acknowledged on all sides.

The problems were made worse when the US and the Soviet Union literally saw each country in the Middle 

East as "Us" and "Them".. The problems that resulted from this application of East/West conflict, especially in 

the 1980's, made the problems much worse.

Most IMPORTANTLY…This conflict is NOT thousands of years old, it is very recent in terms of history. 

Anwar Sadat and Yitzhak (Isaac) Rabin are true HEROES in this conflict!!!"